Comments on: Camp Counseling http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/ and now, a word from our creator Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:18:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Deej http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-41 Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:29:23 +0000 http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-41 American Heritage's definition of faith: 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. I have faith that my life will be better tomorrow. I have no way to prove this, nor any data to support this. But I need this belief, so that I can get through this day, and the next. Not everyone has this need, obviously, but I do. I have faith that eventually the American people will see that gays and lesbians are being treated as second class citizens, and afford everyone the same right to marry. Again, I have no proof that this will happen. Desire factors into this, of course, because most of us would like a happy ending to our story. I desire to feel better; I desire freedom. I do not have a need to understand what each grain of sand is made of. I take it on faith that there are no calories in Splenda. Love has no empirical evidence to support it. We know, because of millenial assertions, that it seems to be out there, but it can't be measured on an empirical scale. So, you cannot tell me that God exists without relying on hearsay. And you can't tell me that he does not exist, exept by hearsay. So yes, the Does/Doesn't debate is on the same level. Neither side can prove their case. I've had this quote on my bulletin board for 20 years. I think it adds to this subject another aspect worth looking at. “ Information is not synonymous with knowledge. Information is only data, parts of the whole. Knowledge has a moral imperative to enhance intellectual and spiritual unity.” Ruth Nanda Anshen American Heritage’s definition of faith:
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
I have faith that my life will be better tomorrow. I have no way to prove this, nor any data to support this. But I need this belief, so that I can get through this day, and the next. Not everyone has this need, obviously, but I do.
I have faith that eventually the American people will see that gays and lesbians are being treated as second class citizens, and afford everyone the same right to marry. Again, I have no proof that this will happen.
Desire factors into this, of course, because most of us would like a happy ending to our story. I desire to feel better; I desire freedom.
I do not have a need to understand what each grain of sand is made of. I take it on faith that there are no calories in Splenda.
Love has no empirical evidence to support it. We know, because of millenial assertions, that it seems to be out there, but it can’t be measured on an empirical scale.
So, you cannot tell me that God exists without relying on hearsay. And you can’t tell me that he does not exist, exept by hearsay. So yes, the Does/Doesn’t debate is on the same level. Neither side can prove their case.
I’ve had this quote on my bulletin board for 20 years. I think it adds to this subject another aspect worth looking at.
“ Information is not synonymous with knowledge. Information is only data, parts of the whole. Knowledge has a moral imperative to enhance intellectual and spiritual unity.” Ruth Nanda Anshen

]]> by: some poor unfortunate soul http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-39 Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:12:31 +0000 http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-39 How dare you question god's followers!!?? How dare you question god’s followers!!??

]]> by: FangVT http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-38 Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:28:14 +0000 http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-38 You say that "to say that God doesn't exist is on the same level as saying that He does." I've got to dispute this point. My default condition when discussing reality has got to be that things don't exist unless there is some evidence that they do. Just going by the word of people without looking at the evidence is what leads to things like the Enron implosion. This is the point, I think, that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster" rel="nofollow">Flying Spaghetti Monster</a>people are trying to make. We can say anything exists, but in a rational view of the universe, extraordinary things require extraordinary evidence. The more out of the realm of our everyday experience something is the more proof we should require to believe that it's true. You say that “to say that God doesn’t exist is on the same level as saying that He does.” I’ve got to dispute this point. My default condition when discussing reality has got to be that things don’t exist unless there is some evidence that they do. Just going by the word of people without looking at the evidence is what leads to things like the Enron implosion. This is the point, I think, that the Flying Spaghetti Monsterpeople are trying to make. We can say anything exists, but in a rational view of the universe, extraordinary things require extraordinary evidence. The more out of the realm of our everyday experience something is the more proof we should require to believe that it’s true.

]]> by: Deej http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-37 Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:57:58 +0000 http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-37 devotion to something that can't be proven to exist is called Faith. Being that no one can either prove or disprove God's existence, to say that God doesn't exist is on the same level as saying that He does. It's a pointless endeaver to ask someone to prove to someone else that God exists. Just as pointless as proving that God doesn't exist. devotion to something that can’t be proven to exist is called Faith.
Being that no one can either prove or disprove God’s existence, to say that God doesn’t exist is on the same level as saying that He does. It’s a pointless endeaver to ask someone to prove to someone else that God exists. Just as pointless as proving that God doesn’t exist.

]]> by: Toby T http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-36 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:57:24 +0000 http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-36 Yeah, I've been wondering about how to show you all that I'm really talking to God. I mean, I know that I'm not huffing paint thinner but you don't. I think I'll have to ask God what to do about this and then get back to you in a day or two. Yeah, I’ve been wondering about how to show you all that I’m really talking to God. I mean, I know that I’m not huffing paint thinner but you don’t. I think I’ll have to ask God what to do about this and then get back to you in a day or two.

]]> by: BobGod http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-35 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:08:09 +0000 http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-35 Devotion of anything to a non-existent being is… well, stupid. Yeah, I know God talks with Toby and Toby talks with us, but the Gospel According to Toby has the same teleological problems that all “good books” have: lack of proof. How do we know that Toby isn’t talking to paint thinner hallucinations? Or Harvey the Rabbit? Or, wait a minute, the manifestation of Allah in an Angel, who then comes back and says, “Waitaminute - those last few words were intercepted by Satan.” Divine packets need better encryption and decryption methods. Devotion of anything to a non-existent being is… well, stupid. Yeah, I know God talks with Toby and Toby talks with us, but the Gospel According to Toby has the same teleological problems that all “good books” have: lack of proof.

How do we know that Toby isn’t talking to paint thinner hallucinations? Or Harvey the Rabbit? Or, wait a minute, the manifestation of Allah in an Angel, who then comes back and says, “Waitaminute - those last few words were intercepted by Satan.”

Divine packets need better encryption and decryption methods.

]]> by: some poor unfortunate soul http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-30 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:43:13 +0000 http://unscriptured.com/2006/10/23/camp-counseling/#comment-30 I was raised Catholic. My mother told me that if you spot the priest 50 bucks before the baby is born, that he will make sure that the baby goes to heaven even if there is no chance for baptism. When my father died, my mother gave the priest a "gift" of 100 bucks. I asked her why she did that because she gives money to the church every week. She said it is tradition to give cash to the priest. I think she was afraid his baptism wore off. One more thing...please don't devalue all the "hail marys" and "our fathers" I had to pray after confession. You make me feel like I wasted alot of my childhood. Maybe the priest tried to take up all my time so I wouldn't learn about evolution, you think? I was raised Catholic. My mother told me that if you spot the priest 50 bucks before the baby is born, that he will make sure that the baby goes to heaven even if there is no chance for baptism. When my father died, my mother gave the priest a “gift” of 100 bucks. I asked her why she did that because she gives money to the church every week. She said it is tradition to give cash to the priest. I think she was afraid his baptism wore off.
One more thing…please don’t devalue all the “hail marys” and “our fathers” I had to pray after confession. You make me feel like I wasted alot of my childhood. Maybe the priest tried to take up all my time so I wouldn’t learn about evolution, you think?

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